[mazzinia]

Are you sure? because technically the info of freenet mentions "Files are automatically kept or deleted depending on how popular they are, with the least popular being discarded to make way for newer or more popular content."

So the moment the original site ( yours ) goes offline, I highly doubt that the files cached elsewhere will be actually cached... with the so claimed 2 million installations, fat chance that our userbase would be enough to make irix content "popular".
We are a minority, and the data would vanish accordingly.

[kikems]

<QUOTE author="mazzinia" post_id="452" time="1527274180" user_id="145">

Are you sure? because technically the info of freenet mentions "Files are automatically kept or deleted depending on how popular they are, with the least popular being discarded to make way for newer or more popular content."

So the moment the original site ( yours ) goes offline, I highly doubt that the files cached elsewhere will be actually cached... with the so claimed 2 million installations, fat chance that our userbase would be enough to make irix content "popular".
We are a minority, and the data would vanish accordingly.

I need find a solution for preservation.

[commodorejohn]

I think the clear answer in "torrent vs. freenet vs. whatever" is "all of the above." Multiple redundancy is a beautiful thing.

[mazzinia]

I can only agree : never put all the eggs in the same basket... same reason nekochan ftp was having mirrors

[mrthinlysliced]

If anyone is interested there is a bunch of what looks like irix software archives here:

<URL url="http://retrogeeks.org/sgi/files">http://retrogeeks.org/sgi/files

Also they have an "FTP" link in there with what looks like a few more bits and pieces - but "permission denied" when attempting to fetch anything.

[lohmos]

IRIX_SPR-0.bin error:data not found

is this thing down ?

[weblacky]

I'd really like to see people use modern media to do this as a bundled product, e.g. a Quad-Layer 128GB Blu-Ray disc with UDF FS. I think people-net & sneaker-net will prevail. Unless encryption and redundancy hold out online (I don't think they will), purging is actually getting worse...not better. I'd prefer if someone actually collected, audited, and and included all SGI software, OSes, and TechPubs in an HTML index-styled Disc set. That you could place in ANY modern PC or (if UDF) possibly late-irix installs and go for a primitive 1992 HTML index and it's all on a couple discs (CDs, DVD DL, Blu-Ray, Whatever).

I mean, they aren't making new commercial Irix software and with GCC support cut, there's a limit to "new" toolchains from the FOSS community. So I'd rather lock this puppy up with a published disc set. Case, art, everything. This is one of things I really wish could be offered to backers or something (indirect - buy a book and get a free gun, sort of thing).

I'd pay for one and people will just re-upload the contents of the set every 5-7 years on the internet for all (whatever form that needs to take).

Also it would be cool to arrange the OSes (on disc) so they could be used for network installs (just point your boot implementation to the sub-directory tree of a disc and you got a working OS network install archive).

It's when we have no good form of offline copy that things disappear.

[Raion]

I can't say much, but I'm currently working on a plan.

[CyberMonkey]

IRIX_SPR-0.bin error:data not found

is this thing down ?

I got the same error when I tried connecting yesterday.

I will also second the notion that redundancy is the way to go. Many P2P sources of SGI related goods lack seeders. A tracker of our own would go a long way.

[Raion]

Torrent sites may be "legal" but it's considered a high-risk business and many hosts simply won't risk it. Same with other P2P things.

I'm aware you all are really hungry for hosting content of a commercial nature and stuff, but the simple case is that I don't want to wake up one day with a site we've had for 4 years now suddenly seized under the DOJ or another org because we happened to host something that the powers that be decided to just straight up sue us for. I try to insulate this by hosting nonfree.irix.cc on a different domain and stuff, but it's just not perfect.

I mean, the main issue is that unless things change and IRIX Network and associated entities start making a lot of money or something, we don't have the power to fight lawsuits and keep our doors open with high risk things. The only reason I can host IRIX stuff is because there's sort of an unofficial "look the other way" with HPE as it stands. Their IPs have checked out our stuff before, and that was three years ago, so I can only assume with no DMCAs or anything they don't care.

But I can't really justify monetizing off old Autodesk and other products. It's just not a safe business model, nor safe for the site. So for now it's unlikely that I'll be able to help with Kikems' old SPR effort. But I do try to keep stuff I can on nonfree, just everything there is offered without a license, warranty or anything else. others have noted some of the stuff doesn't work properly, and I'm sorry for that.

If someone wants to take a dive and a risk on it, fair enough. I can't justify risking the site over a bunch of high risk copyrighted content. Maybe if we can secure something with IRIX (I can't go into further details, but suffice to say I have a plan to try and get us IRIX at least) then we can eventually look into trying to either get these companies to offer our uses hobbyist licenses or something (I doubt it, but you never know) or someone can come up with "equivalents" in a FOSS manner.

I dunno. We're not in the best situation and I don't want to drown us over something like this.