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Powerview and Viewdraw
Hello there,

I recently obtained a couple of ancient PCB and schematics archives done on, and expansion cards for, SGI hardware which I'd like to take a closer look at.

They seem to have been made with the tools „Powerview 52b“ and „Viewdraw 5“, but no matter how I try, I can't seem to be able to find any builds for it.

Is anyone able to help me out here?

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08-12-2020, 03:17 PM
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RE: Powerview and Viewdraw
Was Powerview released on IRIX?

I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.

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agen_hdr iview prefgen viewgen
ALLEGRO_CL_LIBRARY lbx_hdr README viewlmgrd
altran lib refdes viewplace
alu_con1 lm sbvsim viewsim
attdump lmc sdborder viewsys
attmerge lmcksum sis viewtrace
attupdat lmdaemon slavs vifext
aview lmdiag slavs.img vipctst
aviewaui lmhostid splplt vl2edif2
aviewst0 lmremove standard vload
baf2vl lmstat sym2vhdl vlogimp
ccs lmswitchr syms2sch vlogimpc
check lmver transer vlspool
cprobe lpm_hdr tutor vlvers
dbc520 lsclient vbf2vpl vlwhich
edif2vl2 madsnet vdn2hspn vml2sml
edifneti madssim vdrawcol vnav
edifneto makefont vdrc vnsd
ersh mega vdrcbld vpl2vbf
expt1076 MigrateViewspice verilnet vsm
fft mkfusion vgn_hdr vsyn
fpga_hdr mkvpbrd vgn_xhdr vtip
fpganet mult_hdr vhdl wir_act
fpgasyn oatcheck vhdl2sddl.exe wir_m1
fusion online vhdl2sym wir_orca
hdl2sym oppoint vhdldes wir_xa
hdlexp partslist vhdlimp wir_xlnx
ibrow pcbbck vhdm wirscrub
improvex pcbfwd viewcell wspice
include placer viewdata xref
initrans plclist viewdoc xrf
intrface powerview viewdraw xsignal
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12-08-2020, 08:52 PM
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RE: Powerview and Viewdraw
(12-08-2020, 08:52 PM)sunray Wrote:  Was Powerview released on IRIX?

I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.

Still here Smile

/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
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I only have Viewlogic Workview Office for Linux (https://twitter.com/Betavulgaris6/status...6057118720). Could you please do some "nm" command on those executables looking up symbols for enabling cross-annotation to facilitate historical, archaeological preservation and research?
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RE: Powerview and Viewdraw
(10-20-2022, 11:57 AM)Beta_vulgaris Wrote:  
(12-08-2020, 08:52 PM)sunray Wrote:  Was Powerview released on IRIX?

I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.

Still here Smile

/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
...
I only have Viewlogic Workview Office for Linux (https://twitter.com/Betavulgaris6/status...6057118720). Could you please do some "nm" command on those executables looking up symbols for enabling cross-annotation to facilitate historical, archaeological preservation and research?
Workview for Linux, that I have never heard of.

So what do you want me to do?
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10-20-2022, 03:58 PM
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RE: Powerview and Viewdraw
The request is hard to understand. The nm(1) command lists all the visible symbols in an executable or library, which would be many (potentially hundreds) of pages of output, for each of over a hundred executables that make up Powerview. What you would ever do with such data is a mystery to me ("enabling cross-annotation" approaches meaninglessness).

I can say with some certainty that Franz's Allegro Common Lisp is used by at least some of the programs (historical Usenet posts point to the synthesis facility SILCSYN) in Viewlogic, as indicated by ALLEGRO_CL_LIBRARY.
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10-20-2022, 04:11 PM
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RE: Powerview and Viewdraw
(10-20-2022, 04:11 PM)robespierre Wrote:  The request is hard to understand. The nm(1) command lists all the visible symbols in an executable or library, which would be many (potentially hundreds) of pages of output, for each of over a hundred executables that make up Powerview. What you would ever do with such data is a mystery to me ("enabling cross-annotation" approaches meaninglessness).

I can say with some certainty that Franz's Allegro Common Lisp is used by at least some of the programs (historical Usenet posts point to the synthesis facility SILCSYN) in Viewlogic, as indicated by ALLEGRO_CL_LIBRARY.
       
That is, using symbol information in the UNIX workstation editions to annotate DOS or Windows EXE files which DO NOT SHIP WITH symbol files.
(10-20-2022, 03:58 PM)sunray Wrote:  
(10-20-2022, 11:57 AM)Beta_vulgaris Wrote:  
(12-08-2020, 08:52 PM)sunray Wrote:  Was Powerview released on IRIX?

I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.

Still here Smile

/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
...
I only have Viewlogic Workview Office for Linux (https://twitter.com/Betavulgaris6/status...6057118720). Could you please do some "nm" command on those executables looking up symbols for enabling cross-annotation to facilitate historical, archaeological preservation and research?
Workview for Linux, that I have never heard of.

So what do you want me to do?
Yes, really, Workview Office is based on Microsoft MFC Framework. So Mainsoft MainWin was used there for porting Windows apps to UNIX (X11/Motif) environments. Such as https://twitter.com/edgetriggered/status...6249467904.    
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RE: Powerview and Viewdraw
(10-20-2022, 04:18 PM)Beta_vulgaris Wrote:  
(10-20-2022, 04:11 PM)robespierre Wrote:  The request is hard to understand. The nm(1) command lists all the visible symbols in an executable or library, which would be many (potentially hundreds) of pages of output, for each of over a hundred executables that make up Powerview. What you would ever do with such data is a mystery to me ("enabling cross-annotation" approaches meaninglessness).

I can say with some certainty that Franz's Allegro Common Lisp is used by at least some of the programs (historical Usenet posts point to the synthesis facility SILCSYN) in Viewlogic, as indicated by ALLEGRO_CL_LIBRARY.

That is, using symbol information in the UNIX workstation editions to annotate DOS or Windows EXE files which DO NOT SHIP WITH symbol files.
(10-20-2022, 03:58 PM)sunray Wrote:  
(10-20-2022, 11:57 AM)Beta_vulgaris Wrote:  
(12-08-2020, 08:52 PM)sunray Wrote:  Was Powerview released on IRIX?

I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.

Still here Smile

/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
...
I only have Viewlogic Workview Office for Linux (https://twitter.com/Betavulgaris6/status...6057118720). Could you please do some "nm" command on those executables looking up symbols for enabling cross-annotation to facilitate historical, archaeological preservation and research?
Workview for Linux, that I have never heard of.

So what do you want me to do?
Yes, really, Workview Office is based on Microsoft MFC Framework. So Mainsoft MainWin was used there for porting Windows apps to UNIX (X11/Motif) environments. Such as https://twitter.com/edgetriggered/status...6249467904.
If I recall right the used Bristol tools for porting.  Workview was before Powerview but both where native Unix tools. Then Synopsys takeover and the buyout to Innoveda they started to develop on MS using Bristol :( And now Viewdraw is Siemens schematic tool.
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RE: Powerview and Viewdraw
(10-20-2022, 04:55 PM)sunray Wrote:  
(10-20-2022, 04:18 PM)Beta_vulgaris Wrote:  
(10-20-2022, 04:11 PM)robespierre Wrote:  The request is hard to understand. The nm(1) command lists all the visible symbols in an executable or library, which would be many (potentially hundreds) of pages of output, for each of over a hundred executables that make up Powerview. What you would ever do with such data is a mystery to me ("enabling cross-annotation" approaches meaninglessness).

I can say with some certainty that Franz's Allegro Common Lisp is used by at least some of the programs (historical Usenet posts point to the synthesis facility SILCSYN) in Viewlogic, as indicated by ALLEGRO_CL_LIBRARY.

That is, using symbol information in the UNIX workstation editions to annotate DOS or Windows EXE files which DO NOT SHIP WITH symbol files.
(10-20-2022, 03:58 PM)sunray Wrote:  
(10-20-2022, 11:57 AM)Beta_vulgaris Wrote:  
(12-08-2020, 08:52 PM)sunray Wrote:  Was Powerview released on IRIX?

I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.

Still here Smile

/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
...
I only have Viewlogic Workview Office for Linux (https://twitter.com/Betavulgaris6/status...6057118720). Could you please do some "nm" command on those executables looking up symbols for enabling cross-annotation to facilitate historical, archaeological preservation and research?
Workview for Linux, that I have never heard of.

So what do you want me to do?
Yes, really, Workview Office is based on Microsoft MFC Framework. So Mainsoft MainWin was used there for porting Windows apps to UNIX (X11/Motif) environments. Such as https://twitter.com/edgetriggered/status...6249467904.
If I recall right the used Bristol tools for porting.  Workview was before Powerview but both where native Unix tools. Then Synopsys takeover and the buyout to Innoveda they started to develop on MS using Bristol :( And now Viewdraw is Siemens schematic tool.
   
It is Workview "Office", MFC based.
   
Not the original DOS Phar Lap based "Workview".
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RE: Powerview and Viewdraw
Workview (single-windowed, as the DOS edition) is available for SunOS, I have seen it in the disk https://archive.org/details/the-software...d-software, which contains various screenshots, recordings, and even some demo versions (e.g. FrameMaker) of software.
   
https://twitter.com/Betavulgaris6/status...6116625408
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RE: Powerview and Viewdraw
(12-08-2020, 08:52 PM)sunray Wrote:  Was Powerview released on IRIX?

I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.

Still here Smile

/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
-bash-4.1$ ls
agen_hdr            iview              prefgen            viewgen
ALLEGRO_CL_LIBRARY  lbx_hdr            README              viewlmgrd
altran              lib                refdes              viewplace
alu_con1            lm                  sbvsim              viewsim
attdump            lmc                sdborder            viewsys
attmerge            lmcksum            sis                viewtrace
attupdat            lmdaemon            slavs              vifext
aview              lmdiag              slavs.img          vipctst
aviewaui            lmhostid            splplt              vl2edif2
aviewst0            lmremove            standard            vload
baf2vl              lmstat              sym2vhdl            vlogimp
ccs                lmswitchr          syms2sch            vlogimpc
check              lmver              transer            vlspool
cprobe              lpm_hdr            tutor              vlvers
dbc520              lsclient            vbf2vpl            vlwhich
edif2vl2            madsnet            vdn2hspn            vml2sml
edifneti            madssim            vdrawcol            vnav
edifneto            makefont            vdrc                vnsd
ersh                mega                vdrcbld            vpl2vbf
expt1076            MigrateViewspice    verilnet            vsm
fft                mkfusion            vgn_hdr            vsyn
fpga_hdr            mkvpbrd            vgn_xhdr            vtip
fpganet            mult_hdr            vhdl                wir_act
fpgasyn            oatcheck            vhdl2sddl.exe      wir_m1
fusion              online              vhdl2sym            wir_orca
hdl2sym            oppoint            vhdldes            wir_xa
hdlexp              partslist          vhdlimp            wir_xlnx
ibrow              pcbbck              vhdm                wirscrub
improvex            pcbfwd              viewcell            wspice
include            placer              viewdata            xref
initrans            plclist            viewdoc            xrf
intrface            powerview          viewdraw            xsignal

Quote:bash-2.05# ls /usr/warp/pv
PCBDA        edifneti    lmdaemon    mkfusion    transer      vifext
README      edifneto    lmdiag      oatcheck    vdrc        vipctst
altran      ersh        lmdown      online      vdrcbld      vl2edif2
attdump      fft          lmgrd        partslist    vhdl        vload
attmerge    fusion      lmhostid    pcbfwd      vhdlimp      vlogimp
attupdat    hdlexp      lmremove    placer      viewcell    vlogimpc
baf2vl      ibrow        lmreread    powerview    viewdraw    vlspool
ccs          include      lmstat      sbvsim      viewgen      vlvers
check        install.log  lmswitchr    sdborder    viewlmgrd    vlwhich
cprobe      intrface    lmver        setup_iview  viewonly    vnav
dbc520      iview        lsclient    splplt      viewsim      vnsd
devdes      lm          makefont    standard    viewsys      vsm
edif2vl2    lmcksum      mega        syms2sch    viewtrace    xsignal
Found some parts of PowerView in Cypress Warp CD, the VHDL compiler for PLDs. https://archive.org/details/1998-warp-43-win-unix
   
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