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Powerview and Viewdraw - Vatuu - 08-12-2020
Hello there,
I recently obtained a couple of ancient PCB and schematics archives done on, and expansion cards for, SGI hardware which I'd like to take a closer look at.
They seem to have been made with the tools „Powerview 52b“ and „Viewdraw 5“, but no matter how I try, I can't seem to be able to find any builds for it.
Is anyone able to help me out here?
Best regards, Vatuu
RE: Powerview and Viewdraw - sunray - 12-08-2020
Was Powerview released on IRIX?
I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.
Still here
/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
-bash-4.1$ ls
agen_hdr iview prefgen viewgen
ALLEGRO_CL_LIBRARY lbx_hdr README viewlmgrd
altran lib refdes viewplace
alu_con1 lm sbvsim viewsim
attdump lmc sdborder viewsys
attmerge lmcksum sis viewtrace
attupdat lmdaemon slavs vifext
aview lmdiag slavs.img vipctst
aviewaui lmhostid splplt vl2edif2
aviewst0 lmremove standard vload
baf2vl lmstat sym2vhdl vlogimp
ccs lmswitchr syms2sch vlogimpc
check lmver transer vlspool
cprobe lpm_hdr tutor vlvers
dbc520 lsclient vbf2vpl vlwhich
edif2vl2 madsnet vdn2hspn vml2sml
edifneti madssim vdrawcol vnav
edifneto makefont vdrc vnsd
ersh mega vdrcbld vpl2vbf
expt1076 MigrateViewspice verilnet vsm
fft mkfusion vgn_hdr vsyn
fpga_hdr mkvpbrd vgn_xhdr vtip
fpganet mult_hdr vhdl wir_act
fpgasyn oatcheck vhdl2sddl.exe wir_m1
fusion online vhdl2sym wir_orca
hdl2sym oppoint vhdldes wir_xa
hdlexp partslist vhdlimp wir_xlnx
ibrow pcbbck vhdm wirscrub
improvex pcbfwd viewcell wspice
include placer viewdata xref
initrans plclist viewdoc xrf
intrface powerview viewdraw xsignal
RE: Powerview and Viewdraw - Beta_vulgaris - 10-20-2022
(12-08-2020, 08:52 PM)sunray Wrote: Was Powerview released on IRIX?I only have Viewlogic Workview Office for Linux (https://twitter.com/Betavulgaris6/status/1521486456057118720). Could you please do some "nm" command on those executables looking up symbols for enabling cross-annotation to facilitate historical, archaeological preservation and research?
I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.
Still here
/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
...
RE: Powerview and Viewdraw - sunray - 10-20-2022
(10-20-2022, 11:57 AM)Beta_vulgaris Wrote:Workview for Linux, that I have never heard of.(12-08-2020, 08:52 PM)sunray Wrote: Was Powerview released on IRIX?I only have Viewlogic Workview Office for Linux (https://twitter.com/Betavulgaris6/status/1521486456057118720). Could you please do some "nm" command on those executables looking up symbols for enabling cross-annotation to facilitate historical, archaeological preservation and research?
I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.
Still here
/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
...
So what do you want me to do?
RE: Powerview and Viewdraw - robespierre - 10-20-2022
The request is hard to understand. The nm(1) command lists all the visible symbols in an executable or library, which would be many (potentially hundreds) of pages of output, for each of over a hundred executables that make up Powerview. What you would ever do with such data is a mystery to me ("enabling cross-annotation" approaches meaninglessness).
I can say with some certainty that Franz's Allegro Common Lisp is used by at least some of the programs (historical Usenet posts point to the synthesis facility SILCSYN) in Viewlogic, as indicated by ALLEGRO_CL_LIBRARY.
RE: Powerview and Viewdraw - Beta_vulgaris - 10-20-2022
(10-20-2022, 04:11 PM)robespierre Wrote: The request is hard to understand. The nm(1) command lists all the visible symbols in an executable or library, which would be many (potentially hundreds) of pages of output, for each of over a hundred executables that make up Powerview. What you would ever do with such data is a mystery to me ("enabling cross-annotation" approaches meaninglessness).
I can say with some certainty that Franz's Allegro Common Lisp is used by at least some of the programs (historical Usenet posts point to the synthesis facility SILCSYN) in Viewlogic, as indicated by ALLEGRO_CL_LIBRARY.
That is, using symbol information in the UNIX workstation editions to annotate DOS or Windows EXE files which DO NOT SHIP WITH symbol files.
(10-20-2022, 03:58 PM)sunray Wrote:Yes, really, Workview Office is based on Microsoft MFC Framework. So Mainsoft MainWin was used there for porting Windows apps to UNIX (X11/Motif) environments. Such as https://twitter.com/edgetriggered/status/1088246566249467904.(10-20-2022, 11:57 AM)Beta_vulgaris Wrote:Workview for Linux, that I have never heard of.(12-08-2020, 08:52 PM)sunray Wrote: Was Powerview released on IRIX?I only have Viewlogic Workview Office for Linux (https://twitter.com/Betavulgaris6/status/1521486456057118720). Could you please do some "nm" command on those executables looking up symbols for enabling cross-annotation to facilitate historical, archaeological preservation and research?
I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.
Still here
/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
...
So what do you want me to do?
RE: Powerview and Viewdraw - sunray - 10-20-2022
(10-20-2022, 04:18 PM)Beta_vulgaris Wrote:If I recall right the used Bristol tools for porting. Workview was before Powerview but both where native Unix tools. Then Synopsys takeover and the buyout to Innoveda they started to develop on MS using Bristol :( And now Viewdraw is Siemens schematic tool.(10-20-2022, 04:11 PM)robespierre Wrote: The request is hard to understand. The nm(1) command lists all the visible symbols in an executable or library, which would be many (potentially hundreds) of pages of output, for each of over a hundred executables that make up Powerview. What you would ever do with such data is a mystery to me ("enabling cross-annotation" approaches meaninglessness).
I can say with some certainty that Franz's Allegro Common Lisp is used by at least some of the programs (historical Usenet posts point to the synthesis facility SILCSYN) in Viewlogic, as indicated by ALLEGRO_CL_LIBRARY.
That is, using symbol information in the UNIX workstation editions to annotate DOS or Windows EXE files which DO NOT SHIP WITH symbol files.
(10-20-2022, 03:58 PM)sunray Wrote:Yes, really, Workview Office is based on Microsoft MFC Framework. So Mainsoft MainWin was used there for porting Windows apps to UNIX (X11/Motif) environments. Such as https://twitter.com/edgetriggered/status/1088246566249467904.(10-20-2022, 11:57 AM)Beta_vulgaris Wrote:Workview for Linux, that I have never heard of.(12-08-2020, 08:52 PM)sunray Wrote: Was Powerview released on IRIX?I only have Viewlogic Workview Office for Linux (https://twitter.com/Betavulgaris6/status/1521486456057118720). Could you please do some "nm" command on those executables looking up symbols for enabling cross-annotation to facilitate historical, archaeological preservation and research?
I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.
Still here
/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
...
So what do you want me to do?
RE: Powerview and Viewdraw - Beta_vulgaris - 10-21-2022
(10-20-2022, 04:55 PM)sunray Wrote:(10-20-2022, 04:18 PM)Beta_vulgaris Wrote:If I recall right the used Bristol tools for porting. Workview was before Powerview but both where native Unix tools. Then Synopsys takeover and the buyout to Innoveda they started to develop on MS using Bristol :( And now Viewdraw is Siemens schematic tool.(10-20-2022, 04:11 PM)robespierre Wrote: The request is hard to understand. The nm(1) command lists all the visible symbols in an executable or library, which would be many (potentially hundreds) of pages of output, for each of over a hundred executables that make up Powerview. What you would ever do with such data is a mystery to me ("enabling cross-annotation" approaches meaninglessness).
I can say with some certainty that Franz's Allegro Common Lisp is used by at least some of the programs (historical Usenet posts point to the synthesis facility SILCSYN) in Viewlogic, as indicated by ALLEGRO_CL_LIBRARY.
That is, using symbol information in the UNIX workstation editions to annotate DOS or Windows EXE files which DO NOT SHIP WITH symbol files.
(10-20-2022, 03:58 PM)sunray Wrote:Yes, really, Workview Office is based on Microsoft MFC Framework. So Mainsoft MainWin was used there for porting Windows apps to UNIX (X11/Motif) environments. Such as https://twitter.com/edgetriggered/status/1088246566249467904.(10-20-2022, 11:57 AM)Beta_vulgaris Wrote:Workview for Linux, that I have never heard of.(12-08-2020, 08:52 PM)sunray Wrote: Was Powerview released on IRIX?I only have Viewlogic Workview Office for Linux (https://twitter.com/Betavulgaris6/status/1521486456057118720). Could you please do some "nm" command on those executables looking up symbols for enabling cross-annotation to facilitate historical, archaeological preservation and research?
I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.
Still here
/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
...
So what do you want me to do?
It is Workview "Office", MFC based.
Not the original DOS Phar Lap based "Workview".
RE: Powerview and Viewdraw - Beta_vulgaris - 10-21-2022
Workview (single-windowed, as the DOS edition) is available for SunOS, I have seen it in the disk https://archive.org/details/the-software-store-volume-1-for-sun-sparc-by-highland-software, which contains various screenshots, recordings, and even some demo versions (e.g. FrameMaker) of software.
https://twitter.com/Betavulgaris6/status/1583293736116625408
RE: Powerview and Viewdraw - Beta_vulgaris - 04-25-2023
(12-08-2020, 08:52 PM)sunray Wrote: Was Powerview released on IRIX?
I was using Viewdraw and Powerview for a long long time on both PCB and FPGA design but then on SunOS 4 and Solaris.
Still here
/opt/eda/viewlogic/os5/pv61
-bash-4.1$ ls
agen_hdr iview prefgen viewgen
ALLEGRO_CL_LIBRARY lbx_hdr README viewlmgrd
altran lib refdes viewplace
alu_con1 lm sbvsim viewsim
attdump lmc sdborder viewsys
attmerge lmcksum sis viewtrace
attupdat lmdaemon slavs vifext
aview lmdiag slavs.img vipctst
aviewaui lmhostid splplt vl2edif2
aviewst0 lmremove standard vload
baf2vl lmstat sym2vhdl vlogimp
ccs lmswitchr syms2sch vlogimpc
check lmver transer vlspool
cprobe lpm_hdr tutor vlvers
dbc520 lsclient vbf2vpl vlwhich
edif2vl2 madsnet vdn2hspn vml2sml
edifneti madssim vdrawcol vnav
edifneto makefont vdrc vnsd
ersh mega vdrcbld vpl2vbf
expt1076 MigrateViewspice verilnet vsm
fft mkfusion vgn_hdr vsyn
fpga_hdr mkvpbrd vgn_xhdr vtip
fpganet mult_hdr vhdl wir_act
fpgasyn oatcheck vhdl2sddl.exe wir_m1
fusion online vhdl2sym wir_orca
hdl2sym oppoint vhdldes wir_xa
hdlexp partslist vhdlimp wir_xlnx
ibrow pcbbck vhdm wirscrub
improvex pcbfwd viewcell wspice
include placer viewdata xref
initrans plclist viewdoc xrf
intrface powerview viewdraw xsignal
Quote:bash-2.05# ls /usr/warp/pvFound some parts of PowerView in Cypress Warp CD, the VHDL compiler for PLDs. https://archive.org/details/1998-warp-43-win-unix
PCBDA edifneti lmdaemon mkfusion transer vifext
README edifneto lmdiag oatcheck vdrc vipctst
altran ersh lmdown online vdrcbld vl2edif2
attdump fft lmgrd partslist vhdl vload
attmerge fusion lmhostid pcbfwd vhdlimp vlogimp
attupdat hdlexp lmremove placer viewcell vlogimpc
baf2vl ibrow lmreread powerview viewdraw vlspool
ccs include lmstat sbvsim viewgen vlvers
check install.log lmswitchr sdborder viewlmgrd vlwhich
cprobe intrface lmver setup_iview viewonly vnav
dbc520 iview lsclient splplt viewsim vnsd
devdes lm makefont standard viewsys vsm
edif2vl2 lmcksum mega syms2sch viewtrace xsignal