Trying to bring SGI Fuel Online
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Trying to bring SGI Fuel Online
So couple of days ago, I safe a Octane and a Fuel....Octane has a bad PSU so I concentrating on the Fuel. 
I Connected to the L1 Controller and I can execute command and everything looks good so far.
They unit has a CD-ROM but no HD. I connected the DVI cable but I dont get any screen output.

So my question, do I suppose to see something in the monitor without HD?
Any command on the L1 to test the hardware, or to check if it see the SCSI devices?

Another issue, sometime the 12v line sound that drop under 10v....and the unit shutdown during power up, when normalize at 11.x unit look like if fine....does that is a sign to replace the PSU with a new ATX?

Thanks!


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10-27-2021, 03:43 AM
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Yes, the monitor should come on without a drive. If there's no signs of life from the DVI, then your video card is either not plugged in correctly, or it's dead. Dead as a doornail.

Note, this assumes ENV monitoring isn't knackered.

If the env monitoring is knackered, the video card won't come online. At all.

Get a null-modem. I gave you baud settings on your other post.

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10-27-2021, 04:18 AM
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(10-27-2021, 04:18 AM)Raion Wrote:  Yes, the monitor should come on without a drive. If there's no signs of life from the DVI, then your video card is either not plugged in correctly, or it's dead. Dead as a doornail.

Note, this assumes ENV monitoring isn't knackered.

If the env monitoring is knackered, the video card won't come online. At all.

Get a null-modem. I gave you baud settings on your other post.
I am connected to the Internal DB9 on the logic board...how can I check the env?

This is what i get after running env:

001a01-L1>env
Environmental monitoring is enabled and running.

Description State Warning Limits Fault Limits Current
-------------- ---------- ----------------- ----------------- -------
12V Enabled 10% 10.80/ 13.20 20% 9.60/ 14.40 11.81
12V IO Enabled 10% 10.80/ 13.20 20% 9.60/ 14.40 11.88
5V Enabled 10% 4.50/ 5.50 20% 4.00/ 6.00 4.97
3.3V Enabled 10% 2.97/ 3.63 20% 2.64/ 3.96 3.32
2.5V Enabled 10% 2.25/ 2.75 20% 2.00/ 3.00 2.46
1.5V Enabled 10% 1.35/ 1.65 20% 1.20/ 1.80 1.47
5V aux Enabled 10% 4.50/ 5.50 20% 4.00/ 6.00 5.07
3.3V aux Enabled 10% 2.97/ 3.63 20% 2.64/ 3.96 3.29
PIMM0 12V bias Enabled 10% 10.80/ 13.20 20% 9.60/ 14.40 11.88
Fuel SRAM Enabled 10% 2.25/ 2.75 20% 2.00/ 3.00 2.52
Fuel CPU Enabled 10% 1.44/ 1.76 20% 1.28/ 1.92 1.59
PIMM0 1.5V Enabled 10% 1.35/ 1.65 20% 1.20/ 1.80 1.49
PIMM0 3.3V aux Enabled 10% 2.97/ 3.63 20% 2.64/ 3.96 3.29
PIMM0 5V aux Enabled 10% 4.50/ 5.50 20% 4.00/ 6.00 5.07
XIO 12V bias Enabled 10% 10.80/ 13.20 20% 9.60/ 14.40 11.75
XIO 5V Enabled 10% 4.50/ 5.50 20% 4.00/ 6.00 4.97
XIO 2.5V Enabled 10% 2.25/ 2.75 20% 2.00/ 3.00 2.46
XIO 3.3V aux Enabled 10% 2.97/ 3.63 20% 2.64/ 3.96 3.30

Description State Warning RPM Current RPM
-------------- ---------- ----------- -----------
FAN 0 EXHAUST Enabled 920 1180
FAN 1 HD Enabled 1560 2136
FAN 2 PCI Enabled 1120 1534
FAN 3 XIO 1 Enabled 1600 2220
FAN 4 XIO 2 Enabled 1600 2070
FAN 5 PS Enabled 1349 2657

Advisory Critical Fault Current
Description State Temp Temp Temp Temp
----------------- ---------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
0 NODE 0 Enabled [Autofan Control] 75C/167F 42C/107F
1 NODE 1 Enabled [Autofan Control] 75C/167F 40C/104F
2 NODE 2 Enabled [Autofan Control] 75C/167F 32C/ 89F
3 PIMM Enabled [Autofan Control] 75C/167F 50C/122F
4 ODYSSEY Enabled [Autofan Control] 75C/167F 38C/100F
5 BEDROCK Enabled [Autofan Control] 85C/185F 44C/111F


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10-27-2021, 04:49 AM
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Bellow boot info from serial:

IP35 PROM SGI Version 6.210 built 02:33:51 PM Aug 26, 2004
Running in DDR mode
Testing/Initializing memory ............... DONE
Copying PROM code to memory ............... DONE
Discovering local IO ...................... DONE
Discovering NUMAlink connectivity .........
Local hub NUMAlink is down.
*** Local network link down
DONE
Found 1 objects (1 hubs, 0 routers) in 30359 usec
Waiting for peers to complete discovery.... DONE
No other nodes present; becoming global master
Global master is /hw/rack/001/bay/01
Intializing any CPUless nodes.............. DONE
Checking partitioning information ......... DONE
No other nodes present; becoming partition master
Loading BASEIO prom ....................... DONE

BASEIO PROM Monitor SGI Version 6.210 built 02:30:38 PM Aug 26, 2004 (BE64)
1 CPUs on 1 nodes found.
Automatic update of PROM environment disabled

PS/2 Keyboard & Mouse diagnostics
No keyboard found, skipping keyboard test
No mouse found, skipping mouse test

Missing PS/2 device(s) AND console set to "g"
PS/2 Keyboard & Mouse diagnostics passed with a possible problem

Graphics diagnostics

Odyssey board #0 found on nasid 0
Running Odyssey xtalk sanity diag...
Board version 1 - Buzz revision 3B
On board sdram size: 32 Mb
Cas latency: CAS 3
4 banks by sdram module
Running Odyssey Buzz registers diag...
Device passed diagnostics

Installing PROM Device drivers ............
Base I/O Ethernet set to /dev/ethernet/ef0
Installing Graphics Console...
graphics install: searching for pipe 0

Walking SCSI Adapter 0, (pci id 1)
1- 2- 3- 4- 5- 6- 7- 8- 9- 10- 11- 12- 13- 14- 15- = 0 device(s)


Walking SCSI Adapter 1, (pci id 1)
1- 2- 3- 4- 5- 6+ Device Vendor Product: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1711
7- 8- 9- 10- 11- 12- 13- 14- 15- = 1 device(s)

Initializing PROM Device drivers .......... DONE
Cannot connect to keyboard -- check the cable.
Cannot open /dev/input/ioc3pckm0 for input
Cannot connect to keyboard -- check the cable.
Cannot open /dev/input/ioc3pckm0 for input
Checking hardware inventory ............... DONE

**** System Configuration and Diagnostics Summary ****
CONFIG:
No. of NODEs enabled = 1
No. of NODEs disabled = 0
No. of CPUs enabled = 1
No. of CPUs disabled = 0
Mem enabled = 1024 MB
Mem disabled = 0 MB
No. of RTRs enabled = 0
No. of RTRs disabled = 0

DIAG RESULTS:
ALL DIAGS PASSED.
**** End System Configuration and Diagnostics Summary ****


System Maintenance Menu

1) Start System
2) Install System Software
3) Run Diagnostics
4) Recover System
5) Enter Command Monitor

Option?


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10-27-2021, 06:38 AM
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Are you using a real DVI monitor or are you using some sort of HDMI to DVI adapter? A lot of SGIs output using DVI-A during their PROM screen. Which is the analog form of DVI before the OS boots. Then they switch the digital DVI-D.

Please confirm you are using a DVI cable to a DVI port natively on your monitor.

Also on modern SGI L1, 10% off nominal values get a warnings, 20% earns you an auto-shutdown.

So 12v * 10% = 1.2v
12v * 20% = 2.4v

Warnings for 12v is 10.8 or less and 13.2 or more.
Shutdown must occur at 9.6v or less and 14.4v or more


Same formula for all other voltages listed on the table.

Fuel PSU has the worst record of any SGI made, that’s why they’re so scarce. They didn’t sell well and they failed early so people threw them out years ago. Now that they’re scarce they command high prices and people try to fix them. It’s the only SGI where an ATX adapter is currently offered and fully supported by the system from a third party source.
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10-27-2021, 08:20 AM
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So my Cable is DVI-D, so I need DVI-I that support analog and digital!

Thanks for the info....I will get one ASAP!


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10-27-2021, 01:00 PM
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Update, I got a new Hard Drive for the unit, I able to boot fx.64 and do a repartition, label but when I try to Install Irix 6.5 it fail complaining that (0,1,1) Partition dont have /unix ....when in get into the Monitor console, does not have any file system....any help to get Irix loaded...FYI, everyone will tell that use network boot, but I can not get neither the MAC of the NIC....


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11-04-2021, 02:27 PM
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When you say Irix 6.5…you’re not literally trying to install Irix 6.5, right?

Fuel is a late model station and requires at least Irix version 6.5.17 or higher. What overlay media are you using? If you are literally putting in purple Irix 6.5 media, that would be a huge problem. You need a version of the OS that supports that hardware.

Please confirm what media you are using.
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11-04-2021, 02:55 PM
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(11-04-2021, 02:55 PM)weblacky Wrote:  When you say Irix 6.5…you’re not literally trying to install Irix 6.5, right?

Fuel is a late model station and requires at least Irix version 6.5.17 or higher.  What overlay media are you using?  If you are literally putting in purple Irix 6.5 media, that would be a huge problem.  You need a version of the OS that supports that hardware.

Please confirm what media you are using.
i was trying 6.5 but if I try 6.5.17 this is what I get!
Enter 1-2 to select source type, a to select the source, <esc> to quit,
or <enter> to start:


Insert the installation CD-ROM, then press <enter>:


A 000: *** TLB Refill Exception on node 0
A 000: *** EPC: 0xc00000001fc47e58 (0xc00000001fc47e58)
A 000: *** Press ENTER to continue.


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11-04-2021, 07:57 PM
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If you’re just arbitrarily choosing Irix versions please use the last Irix version (latest) 6.5.30 for further testing.

That exception is serious and likely a hardware issue. I don’t think that is a memory issue…but I’m not sure. Someone more experienced with TLB exceptions will need to chime in.

Recheck your memory layout compared to the SGI Fuel manual. See if you can whittle down your RAM to essentially bare min and retry in hopes that is a bad memory module.

Outside of that and resetting things like the PIMM module, I’m out of ideas at the moment but you may have found the reason it was thrown away.

What part it is and how to fix it as another matter that without part swapping, we might not be able to help you. Board level repair is a new thing for SGIs and undocumented as well so there’s not much you can do outside of swapping parts which takes time and money.

Try a different memory config (swap around bare minimum ram modules) and try 6.5.30 and see there is a different error with more info.
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