[weblacky]

Yo All,
I just got a Fuel from eBay for fair price, it was labelled as dead (700Mhz, unknown RAM, V10, innards intact).  It got some damage in shipping, it's unknown at this time the extent of the damage beyond the metal casing.  It possible the V10 has been damaged, it possible it's fine.  Photos and run down below:

Outside damage:
   
   
   
   

Inside (bottom):
   
   

Now, oddly enough I removed the graphics card because I wanted to see if there was any obvious damage...I found a (good ?) surprise, the previous owner has failed to place the bottom screw back to secure the graphics card heatsink to the bottom of the case!  This means the card was NOT fastened to the case when the strike happened...possibly this saved the card?  Unknown, but I hope.  

Also if you see the pics with and without the XIO metal shield, you'll notice the bent metal from the case strike missed contacting the bottom of the mainboard by like 1/8" or less..but didn't touch it!  Again...possibly lucky?

So I've managed a few fixes already.  

Here are pics of the panel edge fix (so far) and the bent rear strike on graphics ports area:

Panel fix:
   


I found some scrap aluminum metal bar to fit into the factory bend to work it without ruining the bend:
   

Here are pics after using a large C-Clamp to bend back the bottom (yes, you can still see the divit/strike point, it's better but the system still wobbles on its feet, so more will be needed.
   
   

I'll likely need to remove everything from the case and get huge C-clamps from Harbor Freight and bend the bottom and far side back and try to reestablish the fold/crease in the casing.

I'm crossing my fingers that everything that matters is okay (despite the dead PSU and other issues).  I'll be updating this thread as I do work, however I have other SGI work already ahead of me (Indy Nidec PSUs and Tezro PSUs + Tezro repair), so it may be awhile until I get back to this thread.  Comments are welcome, also if anyone has a working V10...I may be reaching out if the card did get damaged by the strike to the bottom casing. 

I'm hoping the heatsink spring looked beefy being pushed by the strike without attachment and perhaps it was all okay after being bashed...but one thing at a time...we won't know until I can fix the casing and get the PSU working, the PSU is a 460W and this system was made in 2004.

Cheers!

[jwhat]

Hi Weblacky,

just seeing that shipping damage makes my blood boil !

The Fuel case is pretty strong metal, so they must have given it a couple of nice drops.

Good luck with repair and getting it back up and running.

Cheers from Oz,

jwhat/John.

[weblacky]

Hi Weblacky,

just seeing that shipping damage make my blood boil !

The Fuel case is pretty strong metal, so they must have given it a couple of nice drops.

Good luck with repair and getting it back up and running.

Cheers from Oz,

jwhat/John.

Actually it's the same metal as a 90's PC case, soft!  I can bend it really easily with small tools, scratches easily too, but yeah, takes force on a single point.  I swear Tezro has thicker metal. The only reason this happened was it was fully loaded (not an empty case) and it's own weight did the bending on drop around all the foam padding that was placed in it. I think UPS uses dolly/hand trucks with metal rails/bars instead of a flat metal foot, so I think everytime they threw it on a metal hand truck, it hit the center pole and bent.  You do have to wonder at the force required, yeah, considering there is so many hard dents.

I agree...I wasn't loving it.  But Fuel has almost no plastics to break, and the dents seem to have missed the vital organs, I hope.  My biggest fear is cracking solder joints from the sudden deceleration on impact.  If it's all metal work...I can totally deal with it, if the electronics got damaged, I'll be fairly sad.  But I'm going to attempt it anyway..I got a good deal on this thing and I'm not returning it.  Moving forward!

I'm buying a used FSP750-80EPN PSU and the famed ATX adapter right now to short cut this process.  If the darn thing boots to PROM and detects stuff...I'm golden..Unlikely that V10 will malfunction if PROM screen works (not 100% certain).  Then I can load Irix and do diags to be more certain on condition.

If that passes, then I can disassemble the entire thing and get working on metal bending!  If it has ENV disease, bring it on...I'm ready!  if it has something else wrong with the mainboard...OH GAWD NO 

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Actually...because it IS a PC case, it's all riveted together..if the boards work...I'll just empty it and drill out the rivets and then I can better access the metal parts and bend/straighten everything. Riveting tools are easy to get here and you won't really see them (even if left unpainted). So that's likely my plan if it's all metal work, separate the panels, fix them, rivet them back together...only on a Fuel!

[indigofan]

More than likely the fan or other items might of been jolted and hopefully didn't mess with the environmental sensors. I would reconnect all the fans bits as well.

[Raion]

Instapak guys.

[weblacky]

Yeah, the jolting worries me, but I’ll have to press ahead. My hope is that SGI thought of some of this when they tested it. Yeah, not dents, but shipping. Even correctly packed, being dropped from a few feet would happen.

So I’m hopeful all heat sinks and other masses are not relying on just solder on the IC they are attached to (otherwise fastened). That’s where separation is really possibly, glued on heat sinks riding on a soldered chip that are otherwise unfastened suddenly being dropped or dislodged.

We’ll see what my luck level is, I got a great deal on two PSUs that share the same family as one mentioned in Kuba’s manual and on paper, are compatible. I also threw down the big bucks on tindie for the ATX Adapter.

So now we play the waiting game.

I’ll do a basic dusting and I’ll remove unneeded things (like HDD and RAM) on first boot up attempt, I have known working RAM from a Tezro, I’ll see about minimally putting in RAM as well, in case they have a bad stick or something.

The drive came unplugged, so I’m a little worried on why that might have been (bad SCSI Controller?), but hopefully that was the previous owner trying to test it for booting. I have several of the compatible IBM cables already (foresight years ago) just in case I got a Fuel.

So nothing but finger crossing here now, fellows. Yeah, I’ll attempt to reseat what I reasonably can before L1 on serial testing, before big-boy system power-on.

Thanks!

[Shiunbird]

More on shipping:

I scored a new IntelliStation 285, in box, on ebay a few years ago.
It was 300 EUR to ship it by truck from the Netherlands.

The delivery person came to me and said they made a mistake maneuvering the forklift and one of the tips of the fork went straight through the box.
I accepting receiving the delivery because, well, there's no such a thing as "asking for the vendor for another one".

Thankfully, when I opened it at home, I found out that the unit floats in the box on almost 30cm of styrofoam so the fork missed it by a few centimetres. It was intact.
But strike of luck.

Once I also bought an IBM T221, upgraded to 60Hz, and the seller literally just put it in the box!!!!!
The plastics were already very brittle, it arrived ruined, completely destroyed.
But it would still power on, so it's here, for parts.
The plastic turned into powder in some parts - the bottom foot is a thick (3mm) metal plate, and it bent like paper.

[weblacky]

Okay, I've now recieved the ATX PSUs I ordered (untested so far) and the Fuel ATX Adapter from Tindie (more on that, there were some minor touch-ups that needed to be done, things seem OK but I'll be contacting the creator after testing due to issues when I received it).

So I've read through the ATX adapter manual and it gives the impression that it's important to first plug in just the ATX connector and do an offline L1 query of the 3.3v and 5v lines, then after verification of correct voltages, attach the ATX processor 12v line to the adapter and do the same offline env test, before doing a power-on.

We'll see if the system even gets that far tomorrow...

Will update soon,

Cheers!

[weblacky]

Okay, here's the part where I need your help, fellows:

Since I got the a PSU in the same family as the original, I was even able to reuse the odd "hanger" on the front!  Sweet!  Fit like a glove!  Anyway, power is installed (no power connected to peripheral devices/drives though, on purpose).

I got the Fuel ATX adapter attached, I did BOTH the recommended 3.3v & 5v ONLY hookup (ATX) and L1 query and got this output.  Then I hooked ATX 3.3v & 5v AND 12v 8-pin prossor power up and got the SECOND log.  I'm posting this for completeness, the second log is MUCH more informative.


3.3v & 5v only L1 log:

Code:

ALERT: Error initializing the ODYSSEY monitor, no acknowledge
ALERT: Error setting fan speed on ODYSSEY monitor, no acknowledge




SGI SN1 L1 Controller

Firmware Image B: Rev. 1.28.3, Built 03/20/2004 00:01:57





001a01-L1>ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

INFO: 001a01 will power up system in  5 seconds...

INFO: 001a01 powering up the system.

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error initializing the ODYSSEY monitor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 12V bias) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 5V) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 2.5V) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 3.3V aux) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY temperature monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error initializing the ODYSSEY monitor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 12V bias) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 5V) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 2.5V) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 3.3V aux) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY temperature monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error initializing the ODYSSEY monitor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 12V bias) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 5V) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 2.5V) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 3.3V aux) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY temperature monitoring: no acknowledge

ERROR: 001a01 auto power up error.

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

env

ERROR: command not found.

001a01-L1>ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

env

Environmental monitoring is enabled, but not running (configuration error).



Description    State       Warning Limits     Fault Limits       Current

-------------- ----------  -----------------  -----------------  -------

           12V   Wait Pwr  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40    0.06

        12V IO   Wait Pwr  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40    0.06

            5V   Wait Pwr  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    0.08

          3.3V   Wait Pwr  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    0.64

          2.5V   Wait Pwr  10%   2.25/  2.75  20%   2.00/  3.00    0.00

          1.5V   Wait Pwr  10%   1.35/  1.65  20%   1.20/  1.80    0.00

        5V aux   Wait Pwr  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    5.04

      3.3V aux   Wait Pwr  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    3.27

PIMM0 12V bias   Wait Pwr  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40    0.06

     Fuel SRAM   Wait Pwr  10%   2.25/  2.75  20%   2.00/  3.00    0.06

      Fuel CPU   Wait Pwr  10%   1.13/  1.38  20%   1.00/  1.50    0.01

    PIMM0 1.5V   Wait Pwr  10%   1.35/  1.65  20%   1.20/  1.80    0.04

PIMM0 3.3V aux   Wait Pwr  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    3.29

  PIMM0 5V aux   Wait Pwr  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    5.02

  XIO 12V bias   Wait Pwr  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40    0.00

        XIO 5V   Wait Pwr  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    0.00

      XIO 2.5V   Wait Pwr  10%   2.25/  2.75  20%   2.00/  3.00    0.00

  XIO 3.3V aux   Wait Pwr  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    0.00



Description    State       Warning RPM  Current RPM

-------------- ----------  -----------  -----------

FAN 0  EXHAUST   Wait Pwr          920            0

FAN 1       HD   Wait Pwr         1560            0

FAN 2      PCI   Wait Pwr         1120            0

FAN 3    XIO 1   Wait Pwr         1600            0

FAN 4    XIO 2   Wait Pwr         1600            0

FAN 5       PS   Wait Pwr         1349            0



                              Advisory   Critical   Fault      Current

Description       State       Temp       Temp       Temp       Temp      

----------------- ----------  ---------  ---------  ---------  --------- 

0 NODE 0           Wait Pwr    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   17C/ 62F

1 NODE 1           Wait Pwr    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   17C/ 62F

2 NODE 2           Wait Pwr    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   18C/ 64F

3 PIMM             Wait Pwr    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   17C/ 62F

4 ODYSSEY          Wait Pwr    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F    0C/ 32F

5 BEDROCK          Wait Pwr  Not currently available



001a01-L1>ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

3.3v AUX and 5V aux look good!

Okay, so I saw the ODYSSEY warnings and obviously was concerned, however this may be a false positive on a dead graphics card...it got SOMEWHAT better then I hooked 12V processor power to it:

ALL ATX and 12C 8-pin processor power:

Code:

ALERT: Error initializing the ODYSSEY monitor, no acknowledge
ALERT: Error setting fan speed on ODYSSEY monitor, no acknowledge




SGI SN1 L1 Controller

Firmware Image B: Rev. 1.28.3, Built 03/20/2004 00:01:57





001a01-L1>envALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge



Environmental monitoring is enabled, but not running (configuration error).



Description    State       Warning Limits     Fault Limits       Current

-------------- ----------  -----------------  -----------------  -------

           12V   Wait Pwr  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40    0.19

        12V IO   Wait Pwr  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40    0.19

            5V   Wait Pwr  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    0.08

          3.3V   Wait Pwr  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    0.64

          2.5V   Wait Pwr  10%   2.25/  2.75  20%   2.00/  3.00    0.00

          1.5V   Wait Pwr  10%   1.35/  1.65  20%   1.20/  1.80    0.00

        5V aux   Wait Pwr  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    5.04

      3.3V aux   Wait Pwr  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    3.27

PIMM0 12V bias   Wait Pwr  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40    0.19

     Fuel SRAM   Wait Pwr  10%   2.25/  2.75  20%   2.00/  3.00    0.06

      Fuel CPU   Wait Pwr  10%   1.13/  1.38  20%   1.00/  1.50    0.01

    PIMM0 1.5V   Wait Pwr  10%   1.35/  1.65  20%   1.20/  1.80    0.04

PIMM0 3.3V aux   Wait Pwr  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    3.29

  PIMM0 5V aux   Wait Pwr  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    5.02

  XIO 12V bias   Wait Pwr  10%  10.80/ 13.20  20%   9.60/ 14.40    0.00

        XIO 5V   Wait Pwr  10%   4.50/  5.50  20%   4.00/  6.00    0.00

      XIO 2.5V   Wait Pwr  10%   2.25/  2.75  20%   2.00/  3.00    0.00

  XIO 3.3V aux   Wait Pwr  10%   2.97/  3.63  20%   2.64/  3.96    0.00



Description    State       Warning RPM  Current RPM

-------------- ----------  -----------  -----------

FAN 0  EXHAUST   Wait Pwr          920            0

FAN 1       HD   Wait Pwr         1560            0

FAN 2      PCI   Wait Pwr         1120            0

FAN 3    XIO 1   Wait Pwr         1600            0

FAN 4    XIO 2   Wait Pwr         1600            0

FAN 5       PS   Wait Pwr         1349            0



                              Advisory   Critical   Fault      Current

Description       State       Temp       Temp       Temp       Temp      

----------------- ----------  ---------  ---------  ---------  --------- 

0 NODE 0           Wait Pwr    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   17C/ 62F

1 NODE 1           Wait Pwr    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   17C/ 62F

2 NODE 2           Wait Pwr    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   17C/ 62F

3 PIMM             Wait Pwr    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F   17C/ 62F

4 ODYSSEY          Wait Pwr    [Autofan Control]    75C/167F    0C/ 32F

5 BEDROCK          Wait Pwr  Not currently available



001a01-L1>ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

INFO: 001a01 will power up system in  5 seconds...

INFO: 001a01 powering up the system.

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error initializing the ODYSSEY monitor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 12V bias) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 5V) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 2.5V) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 3.3V aux) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY temperature monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error initializing the ODYSSEY monitor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 12V bias) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 5V) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 2.5V) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 3.3V aux) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY temperature monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error initializing the ODYSSEY monitor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 12V bias) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 5V) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 2.5V) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY power (XIO 3.3V aux) monitoring: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error configuring ODYSSEY temperature monitoring: no acknowledge

ERROR: 001a01 auto power up error.

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading the ODYSSEY temperature sensor, no acknowledge

ALERT: Error reading monitor ODYSSEY interrupt status 1: no acknowledge

Okay, more.  So assumptions:

1. Likely I'm looking at ENV Disease, does everyone concur?  I say this since I cannot get SEVERAL voltages from the listing and I tested this ATX PSU with a PSU tester, so I KNOW it's voltages were great at idle (at least) and the fan listing says that BEDROCK is not available, which I assume is MAINBOARD ENV stuff. Thoughts?

2. Does any of this mess indicate a graphics V10 failure at this time?  The word ODYSSEY scares me, but I know it's also the term for something else (like the bedrock) right?

I have all the equipment and the ICs to do ENV disease right now!  So I'm fine with going that route first.

In the meantime, anyone with real-world experience, anything in the log that looks odd, that might be something additional/other-than ENV Disease (at this point)?  I need eyeballs from people who've been here before.  Tell me what you see.


OK, so not dead!  Great!  I will make plans to fully remove the main board and such and attempt an IC transfusion.  Given the output I KNOW at least one IC on the mainboard went but I'm wondering if I need to replace the PIMM one AND/OR the V10 ENV IC as well?  I see main voltage errors/warnings...I see 5V on PIMM is correct, so I assume the IC on the PIMM is working?  But since XIO is MAIN voltage...I'm uncertain on V10. 

I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this.  I'll keep you guys updated!

[jwhat]

Hi Weblacky,

On (2) I have only heard ODYSSEY used for VPro (V6, V8, V10, V12) graphics boords. Exception is the ODY Fan ID on O350 (H9H6 ODY), which is also used for both V12 & DM3 adaptor fans...

Cheers from Oz,

jwhat/John.