Using ZRC Galvilite Galvanizing Compound 95% to touch up Indy PSUs.
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Using ZRC Galvilite Galvanizing Compound 95% to touch up Indy PSUs.
Hi All,
In my Indy rebuilds I've come across some rusty PSUs...not overly rusty, mind you.  But brown rust forming on the vent perforations, edges, corners, and loss of platting on the underside.  I've been racking my brain with what to do about this for a couple years and I wanted to re-establish the galvanized protection for long term use.

Painting the entire PSUs would be a hassle as prepping the surface would be hard to get right (inside and out) and we are really talking about "spots" and "touch-up" here now several manufacturers make a "cold galvanizing spray" product that contains zinc to fix up fences, posts, building materials, boat trailers, etc..

There is a spray and a pint of paint forms of these products.  While some people claim the spray is fine...there are enough reviews of ALL these products to say the sprays have big issues (especially if you want to stop and use the can again later).  These sprays have a lot of zinc which separates very easily over time.  To make the spray really work you have to mix it VERY WELL and then spray, shaking is very frequently...most of the time the mixing isn't good enough and the spray is uneven or clumps or wastes the gas in the spray can.

A few of these products are sold as pints of paint.  Based on reviews and such I choose this one (sold through Amazon by a merchant):

ZRC Galvilite Galvanizing Compound 95%, in a pint can.
   

This stuff was FULLY separated when I opened it..with thick zinc sludge at the bottom.  I had to use a drill for a good 10 minutes to mix it nearly 100% smooth.  Don't try this without a drill, it will kill you swirling by hand (perhaps use a paint store shaker...but be quick about it).

I don't have a before picture (I was moving too fast and didn't think about it...plus the end result is really what we care about).

These pictures show a single coat, with a brush (so you see brush marks...yeah I know).  I used a dremel with a steel wire-wheel (bowl form) to remove all the rust and give the general underside a light sanding, I also cleaned it with acetone too to make sure.

I mixed the pint a lot and the color is not too dissimilar from the Indy PSU. After 24 hours I tested the surface by rubbing it hard with my hand, nothing came off...so adherence is good!.

While some PSUs have a shiny appearance, I think the Indys will be OK with it.  I didn't apply it to the rear vent grill (didn't need it anyway).  All the moisture damage was at the bottom.  I didn't paint the inside of the PSU either (outside of a few bottom grate lines that got coated on both sides due to gravity.

   

   

I think this looks pretty good (I didn't do the entire bottom...I still might, but I was trying for touch up).  I can do another coat if I need to, but I think it's fine as-is.  This SHOULD give it a fairly good future protection from rusting (just as the original coating was trying to do).  It's as simple as painting (after exhaustive mixing).  So not too bad.

I'm posting this for A - Opinions and B - for other people looking to arrest rust on the cheaper metal parts of an SGI, this can be a good solution that can establish a galvanic protection (unlike simple paint).

Cheers!
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10-09-2021, 02:31 AM
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Interesting! How would you suggest prepping a surface with some rust spots already? My PCI shoebox came pre-rusted and I've been wanting to touch it up.

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10-09-2021, 09:37 AM
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The simplest rust-removal techniques are wire brushing and naval jelly. A brush with steel bristles is harder than rust, so it scrapes away rust without harming the steel underneath. Always use a wire brush with bristles equal or softer than the workpiece so it doesn't get scratched. Never use steel bristles on aluminum or copper: only brass bristles.
Naval jelly is a mix of phosphoric acid with a cellulose gel so it sticks to metal. The acid removes some rust and converts the rest to black iron oxide, which doesn't flake off or spread. After using it you rinse with water to remove the acid.

Another unusual method of removing rust is using ammonium thioglycolate (hair perm salt). It is not acidic but dissolves rust and turns bright purple at the same time.

A problem you will run into with most forms of rust removal is that with its protective oxide layer removed, steel can rust very quickly. This is the so-called "flash rust". To stop it you need to apply protection within an hour, the quicker the better. For example, if you use naval jelly, after rinsing you need to dry the metal as fast as possible and then apply your protective coating.

Protective coatings fall into three broad categories, the oxygen barrier layers, sacrificial galvanizing metals, and chemical corrosion inhibitors. Oil and grease are barriers and work quite well for protecting things like hand tools. Zinc is a more active metal that provides galvanic protection. Generally the steel cases were coated with molten zinc in a process known as hot-dip galvanization.
Zinc-rich paints are much less effective than hot-dip galvanizing and the difference can be seen easily on a photomicrograph. But they are a method of repair that is within the reach of normal people.

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10-09-2021, 04:16 PM
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Surfaces that are really shiny (like Octane shoebox and PSU) normally don’t have “brown rust” they have white rust. White rust is going to be a different recipe.

But if you really have brown rust spots, and the entire surface is kind of dull and pitted, then there is no hope of it every being shiny without some kind of false chrome painting and clear coat after restoration (I’ve not tried this).

If you really do have a Octane shoebox that is best described above then doing this cold galvanized zinc coating is an option.

Please note several issues:

The surface needs a fair mechanical sanding, without gouging, using a very fine sanding disk or wire wheel (I used a fine Dremel brand wire wheel) to remove the rust color and gently go over the dull-pitted surfaces. A fine wire wheel is what you want, not a course one. You don’t want deep scratches as they will show after painting.

For card cages I’ve seen, the inside is just as bad as the outside, so consider if you want to remove everything and attempt a more full coverage, I know most of it is riveted, so it’s hard.

You can use a HVLP sprayer with this product as-is. Air spray requires thinning with a solvent. I bought so little of the product that I’d loose a lot of it trying to properly prep the coating for air spraying such a small area. So I used a brush. However you’ll see the brush strokes in the coating, there doesn’t seem to be a way to avoid that, spraying will be the only way to coat without brush strokes.

If I had a cheap HVLP sprayer, I might have tried it if I can get all my metal together at once to spray (again due to loss in the sprayer and such, I’d be cleaning out more coating than what I sprayed).

Mix/stir like your arm wrestling the devil back into the underworld when mixing this coating. If you still feel sludge at the bottom, then you need to get down there an mix a lot more. Use a drill, seriously this stuff may look like paint but it is not entirely paint.

I used acetone after sanding the region to make sure it was clean. The instructions for the product are vague and say they prefer a chemical etching but often mechanical means works fine.

Also please note this is supposed to be the lighter color of the two products and it’s still fairly dark. I’m pretty sure you can paint over this stuff once fully cured. So it may be possible to use an shiny metal spray paint and then a clear coat over this stuff. It may require a primer.

Since only a little bit of the shoebox sticks out of the back, you could try to do a 360 degree paint of the end that shows with the expectation of also using a fake metal paint in it too for visual affect. But again, I’ve only tried what I posted and I’m not adept at painting so perhaps consult a professional automotive painting shop after you’ve zinc coated for some options?

Let us know if you decide to pursue this.

(10-09-2021, 04:16 PM)robespierre Wrote:  The simplest rust-removal techniques are wire brushing and naval jelly. A brush with steel bristles is harder than rust, so it scrapes away rust without harming the steel underneath. Always use a wire brush with bristles equal or softer than the workpiece so it doesn't get scratched. Never use steel bristles on aluminum or copper: only brass bristles.
Naval jelly is a mix of phosphoric acid with a cellulose gel so it sticks to metal. The acid removes some rust and converts the rest to black iron oxide, which doesn't flake off or spread. After using it you rinse with water to remove the acid.

Another unusual method of removing rust is using ammonium thioglycolate (hair perm salt). It is not acidic but dissolves rust and turns bright purple at the same time.

A problem you will run into with most forms of rust removal is that with its protective oxide layer removed, steel can rust very quickly. This is the so-called "flash rust". To stop it you need to apply protection within an hour, the quicker the better. For example, if you use naval jelly, after rinsing you need to dry the metal as fast as possible and then apply your protective coating.

Protective coatings fall into three broad categories, the oxygen barrier layers, sacrificial galvanizing metals, and chemical corrosion inhibitors. Oil and grease are barriers and work quite well for protecting things like hand tools. Zinc is a more active metal that provides galvanic protection. Generally the steel cases were coated with molten zinc in a process known as hot-dip galvanization.
Zinc-rich paints are much less effective than hot-dip galvanizing and the difference can be seen easily on a photomicrograph. But they are a method of repair that is within the reach of normal people.

Yes, I live around several platting businesses but chose not to pursue having the entire power supply re-platted and everything due to cost. When these power supplies are $700 a piece (retail) I’ll be happy to totally remove the old coating, heavy electroplate a new one, and have custom stickers printed to replace the old ones on top, along with all the electronic rebuild parts and labor. 

But not for ~$200 ish final value.  Even if I batch them all at once I’d have more into them than anyone would pay.  Perhaps for my personal collection I might, but I doubt it.  

Considering my hope is, the new owner doesn’t place these in an uncontrolled outside environment, the zinc is overkill for indoor use, but that’s better in case it once again gets put in an unheated garage or something.

However, perhaps getting a quote from a business for that Octane card cage wouldn’t be so bad.  If all the electronics and fan can be safely removed and it’s less than $400 after tax to strip and restore the shiny surface, perhaps that’s better then coating with since a shoebox is worth more than an Indy PSU and the value will only increase. So perhaps it makes more sense then?
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