[Jacques]

Thanks for the replies, I'm already on the 'recycle and reuse' bus. I have a 2012 Macbook Pro that is still going strong, I don't intend to replace it until it breaks for good. My wife's 2011 Macbook Pro is problematic, it seems to run really hot even after a fresh install of 10.13 and having fresh thermal paste and a clean. The heat chows the battery and it just runs like a dog, not sure what's up with it...ram has been swapped as well and no change, fresh SSD as well?!

Anyhow, my 2010 Mac Pro is still going really strong, it's my daily driver and it chugs through everything I throw at it, except some games, but that is to be expected.

I upcycle a huge amount a stuff our office throws out as e-waste (HP z600 and z620 workstations though these are now all out) and put the money made to local dog and cat charities. And I've got a little 14" HP laptop from 2011 I repaired and holding on to as an emergency backup machine.

I'm going to take a look at System 76 laptops when / if I need to buy a new one, though I may look for a second hand Lenovo first and put Debian on for her.