(12-04-2020, 03:51 AM)lunatic Wrote: It's a complex system with complex interactions. There are likely no simple answers, unless you want to go full authoritarian police state. That's what I mean. Seeing police disband protest rallies because protesters won't wear masks and stuff; that's the kind of stupidity that hurts us all. I just don't want to see the government being able to do this. I don't want the government to just collect location data from mobile phones.
I'm not for a dystopic and repressive system of governance, but I implore you to do your own research into the riots and protests in the US.
They are neither, as the partisan media outlets claim: "Peaceful protests against systemic racism." Nor "Mindless rioting spread throughout the cities of the US."
In my states capital they tore down a statue of Christoforo Colombo, which was paid for by Italian-Americans, and threw it into the James River. They didn't care about the nuance. They just wanted to cause destruction. Meanwhile the famous "Monument Avenue" was loaded with trash and the only undamaged/not removed monument was to a minor black tennis player who died of HIV in the 1990s.
In Wisconsin riots caused a 17 year old guy to nearly get run down by convicted felons and pedophiles working for a decentralized network of anarcho-communist and socialists which will not be named and he had to open fire on two of them, which is protected under "Stand Your Ground" in that state, yet he's being charged with murder.
People are tired of lockdowns not because of lockdowns, but because the elite get free passes because they just need their previous spoiled little babies to riot about whatever MSNBC declares to be the great evil. The majority of the rioters are either the scum of the earth anarchists, or rich upper class white kids who think they're revolutionaries. If the protests were actually peaceful, unlike propaganda claims, or if the police did their job and dissolved it, I'd guarantee that the public would be a little more sympathetic.
What I'll close with is unlike Germany or other European countries the constitution severely curtails the federal (top-level) government in authority to limit people's rights, short of martial law. That means a nationwide lockdown, while the military and states may listen and cooperate, it won't hold up in our courts. This is clearly a state-by-stste issue, and dare I say each state almost has as much carte blanche as each country of the EU. And judges can and will issue injunctions with lightning speed. I don't expect everyone outside of the US to understand, but for all my misgivings about it, we do have a far better legal system than some countries (looking at the Commonwealth nations) and that protects us decently so.
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