[Irinikus]

After playing quite a few games on the PS4 Pro (I'm still busy with fallout 4 by the way!) I have come to realise that they've become very competitive, as far as high end gaming is concerned! This is the first time this has happened in my opinion, as they've always been miles behind gaming PC's. (Not anymore though!!!)

The main drawback that I've experienced, which does tend to irritate me to the core, especially when playing the likes of Fallout 4 are the unacceptably long load-times. 

This will definitely be fixed in the upcoming generation, especially in the PS5's case.

I also believe that both SONY and Microsoft should offer official mouse and keyboard options for their consoles, especially if they want to attract hardcore gamers. (The SEGA Dreamcast did!!!)

So my days of pumping huge amounts of cash into gaming rigs is coming to an end!!!

[drmadison]

Xbox One recently added support for KB+Mouse, but it's a per-game option whether they want to support it or not.

While I wouldn't say the current high-end consoles touch the power of a fully decked out PC, they are incredibly capable. And honestly the PS4 Pro w/ some of Sony's exclusives...it really is just another level of detail and quality. Love it or hate it, Uncharted, God of War, Horizon, all amazing looking (and playing!) and honestly not much on the PC side that can compare.

[Raion]

The main benefit for PC gaming is modding, especially for valve and Bethesda releases. I can't play stock Skyrim or stock fallout 4.

[Irinikus]

Modified in what way?

I generally only play through games once so I also don't give a flying F about backwards compatibility! (I enjoy the odd good game, but there are many other things that also interest me!!!!)

I'll agree that in the current generation, the consoles aren't quite at the same level as gaming PC's. I compared Fallout 76 running on both my PS4 Pro and my gaming PC which cost me about 10 times the price, and yes the PC was better, but certainly not better enough to justify the extreme price!

I think things will change in the next generation though, you just have to watch the Unreal V Tech Demo running on the PS5 to see what I mean!

[Raion]

I won't be buying the PS5 in all likelihood, nor the newer Xboxes.

But there's plenty of mods I prefer. Improved textures and lighting, improved combat, changes to enemy balance, restoring cut content, and improve character appearance packages. You do not get the full range of these mods because many rely on improved scripting engines or ENBs, the latter of which operate via DLL injection.

[Irinikus]

I won't be buying the PS5 in all likelihood, nor the newer Xboxes.

But there's plenty of mods I prefer. Improved textures and lighting, improved combat, changes to enemy balance, restoring cut content, and improve character appearance packages. You do not get the full range of these mods because many rely on improved scripting engines or ENBs, the latter of which operate via DLL injection.

Why not???

Get yourself a Mac Pro for serious work, and a PS5 for games, as Windows sucks, period!!! (As for Xbox, it's a Microsoft product, what else is there to say!!!)

I'm sure Bill Gates secretly runs MS Office on a Mac, at home!

[Raion]

Not sure if you're purposely trying to troll me or don't remember my tirade against macOS and Linux that I did both on Nekochan and in the IRIXNET discord, but I'll summarize it in a more professional capacity. If we were to put macOS, Linux, Windows, BSD, and illumos on a spectrum of anti-power user to pro-power user, it loses out against even Windows:

MacOS - Windows - Easy Linux Distros - illumos - Hard Linux Distros - BSD - Slackware and Gentoo

And then if I were to tier them as to what I want to use, macOS barely beats Linux. I do not currently use Linux or macOS at all, sold my 2011 Mini that I used for work to Lucanis when I quit that job requiring it.

So no thanks on buying an overpriced shitty Mac that will tell me what programs I can and cannot run. Windows is not great but I can t least use it as a power user, remove components I don't want, and I can install even a virus if I want without the system telling me "no I can't do that." Mandatory access controls or mandatory product signatures are authoritarian bullshit and I won't subjugate myself to that, which is why my 2011 mini was on High Sierra.

I will not buy a PS5 unless there's an exclusive I really want to play that makes it worth it, i.e. if Dark Souls II got an exclusive. I dropped the Halo franchise because I couldn't stand the Xbox One. I have a PS4 and am rather happy with it but I barely play it or my Switch at the moment, I play my Vita and 3DS far more.

[Irinikus]

I’m not purposely trolling you!

In your case PC makes sense then!

I’m my case, considering what I use my “main” computer for, a Mac makes the most sense.

When I built my PC I didn’t spare any cost and built pretty much the best system I could at the time, in fact it was the same spec as the “dream machines” in many PC magazines at the time. So at some point I have experienced the best PC has to offer, and just remember, the best doesn’t stay the best for long, regardless of how much money you spend! (Hence, inexpensive consoles make more sense in the long run!)

The main hard drive in that system, being the OCZ Revodrive 3 x2, cost me $1000 in 2012 on it's own, and has a read/write of 1.4GB/ second, which was lightning fast in 2012, but pretty slow by todays standard! (Just look at what the PS5 will offer at the ridiculous price of $500 to $600!)

That being said, my Mac is the best system I’ve ever had, period! I generally rate things as to how much they piss me off by giving me trouble, and the Mac hasn’t given me a second of trouble in the six years I’ve been using it!

That being said, I do respect your opinion, as everyone has the right to one.

[Raion]

Ok, I was under the impression I had made my own preferences clear. For instance, if you told me that you wanted a suggestion on a new car but you had previously said " You know I really fucking hate the Ford Mustang and also Chrysler" I would take that into account with my words on the topic of car selection. Hence when you insisted I buy Apple I was mildly insulted. it would be like if I answered every time you were asking about cars with Ford mustang using the above example. I understand that your experiences have been positive but there is a specific difference in how you and I value software.

Consoles in general have always been more of a thing where I prefer to use them to relive my childhood and play games that I never got to play. I didn't buy a PS4 until 2017 used from a pawn shop. The last console I bought new was an Xbox 360 in 2005. And for several months the only game we had was Project Gotham Racing 3 which was the pack in the game.

Especially for titles that I normally play on the PC I don't have as much interest such as Stardew Valley or Minecraft (controls, mostly. Hard to do some things with a controller vs mouse and keyboard) and for games I mod I'm limited to what Microsoft or Sony allows of me. For instance there's an extension for Skyrim that allows clothing to break and wear down as it is used until it is nothing more than tatters. There's two reasons why it's not allowed on consoles: SKSE and because of nudity being an option in the package. The second one could be worked around by repackaging it, but anything that needs SKSE is a death sentence.

[Irinikus]

I'll agree that the controllers don't offer nearly the precision or finesse that a mouse and keyboard does, hence my earlier statement regarding this.

I've always regarded the consoles as being kids toys, not to be taken too seriously.

I also had a 360, which disappointed me to the max. (Hence I don't, and won't collect Xboxes) At that time I fell in love with the PS3, but only ended up acquiring one about 4 years ago, this lead me to start collecting consoles as well, hence the various consoles present in my collection.

The PS4 Pro's performance has impressed me enough to start taking consoles seriously though!

Looking forward to the PS5, I believe that SONY has made incredibly good design choices, maximising overall performance, while keeping the price point low! (Well balanced cost engineering!)

I do think that the PS5 will give rather highly specced PC's a good run for their money!!! (Though, I do wish that SONY would include a matching Keyboard and mouse as an optional extra!)