[Raion]

Remember the whole Contributor Covenant controversy? 

It appears GNOME has cranked that up to 11. Namely they call out "Privileged" people and seek to separate them from others, singling them out:

The GNOME community prioritizes marginalized people's safety over privileged people's comfort. 

I don't like talking about these sorts of things and I'm hoping that this thread doesn't become a shitshow but I think it's becoming a bit insane when "safety" extends to feelings. This is important to talk about. 

I'm going to draw a simile to my father's profession: professional chef

They have a saying: "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."

Working in the kitchen can be quite stressful, and insults and threats and blows to an ego can happen on a regular basis. I used to be a clerk at my father's restaurant in high school and no joke he grabbed a sous chef by a collar and threatened to "wrap a pan around his head". To drive home a point. This was over 10 years ago

Am I condoning aggressive behavior towards other people? No.

What I am suggesting that if you can't take someone else's opinions, getting your ego bruised, taking a bit of a browbeating, or being challenged on your ego you probably don't belong as a developer. Accepting criticism gracefully is not fun. But if you either don't understand how to navigate that, or bite back in a way that doesn't immediately turn to Godwin's law or something, you don't deserve to be a developer.

I've experienced it myself. I no longer contribute ro the FreeBSD project directly because of this. I declined to help HardenedBSD (Shawn Webb is a great dude, and a talented programmer, but we don't see eye to eye) and have drawn the ire of some developers and users for my opinions. 

All of that said, I think that it's important to not let yourself get discouraged because of what others think. It's important to grow a thick skin. And if you can't hold together because someone says something annoying about you or your work, well, find something lower stress. Maybe a librarian or auto mechanic is a smarter career. 

For GNOME, I'm personally not a user of them, but I think a boycott should happen. I'm working on some projects, but once I clear those out, I'm gonna start looking into ways to purge GNOME/gtk/freedesktop bullshit from my machines. This is going nuts.

[commodorejohn]

GNOME is one of those things that manages to consistently amaze me with how much stupid human drama they can drag into what should be a fairly straightforward technical project. Of course, they've been building a cult of insular stupidity for years...I still remember the whole GNOME 3 debacle and how shocked and indignant they were that everyone out in the real world wasn't interested in telling them how nice their farts smelled when they'd gone to such trouble internally to make sure they smelled the best. And, of course, even if you sensibly ditched GNOME after that, they keep making GTK worse with every version...how come the MATE folks haven't forked that yet?

[Raion]

To restart dev on FoxBSD would require a lot of help. I'm scaling back for now, focusing on the KITSUNE userland, and learning how to be a better C programmer.

[jirka]

GNOME is one of those things that manages to consistently amaze me with how much stupid human drama they can drag into what should be a fairly straightforward technical project. Of course, they've been building a cult of insular stupidity for years...

I still use the old GNOME 2.x on one of my computers and the MATE on all other Linux machines. I cannot understand what they have been doing since they abandoned the 2.x...  The GNOME 3 has been over-complicated, user-hostile mess and the activities of the GNOME Foundation are mess, too.

I still use some of my Gtk+-2.x-base software and I am still not sure if it makes sense to port these things to newer Gtk.:-(

[soviet]

This kind of bullshit have been infiltrating in most environments this days, its the times of (politically correct).
Even it reached the linux kernel and linus himself, even stallman have to resign from his work for some kind shit like this.
Theirs the thought police now and you can't say why you think because if it doesn't align to this people ideology you will become the enemy and they will try to destruct you.

They got inside projects, institutions, governments, etc and start inserting this kind of policy's all over the place. When you look again this people have taken control and they don't care a shit about the projects they infiltrated they just want to make all of the members to fall in line to they ideology.

This kind of bullshit is all based on communism, feminism,"social justice" etc.
Will end up destroying everything they touch.

[Raion]

Stallman is actually part of the PC movement and only got dethroned because he defended a dead MIT professor who is an accused pedophile.

Just like anything else, they ally themselves with scum and it's only after they were dethroned that they curse their name. And only then did he backpedal.

The thing about stallman is that all the way back to 2003 he implied the age of consent should be 14.

[jupo]

I was never too fond of GNOME in general, and I don't think I've used the desktop since the 1.x/RedHat days.

But, I'm quite impressed with that Code of Conduct. I probably would have been more broad and generic with some parts of it, but overall that looks like a solid community social contract. Thanks for pointing it out!

[Raion]

Are you sure about that dude? I can't tell if you're being sincere or sarcastic.

The overall view of GNOME is corrupt at this point, as they're more concerned with PC then actual merit and meritocracy.

[soviet]

Stallman is actually part of the PC movement and only got dethroned because he defended a dead MIT professor who is an accused pedophile.

Just like anything else, they ally themselves with scum and it's only after they were dethroned that they curse their name. And only then did he backpedal.

The thing about stallman is that all the way back to 2003 he implied the age of consent should be 14.

I didn't know that one, now that i started to read i see how that goes that guy is a creep, a friend wanted stallman to stay in his home when he was in the country this guy have children he truly must be insane to get stallman under the same roof that his kids even for a single night.

Don't know why stall man have so many fans but now the axe of PC have fallen on his neck.

More even if you are white and heterosexual, then you are like born a monster, the last funny thing i heard is that one have to pay reparations to ("less privileged people") and stuff like one is guilty of the slavery or something crazy like that.

[Raion]

I'm glad to see that more non-Americans are aware of the toxicity of the culture generated. Maybe I should visit Uruguay (I do speak Spanish, by virtue of my heritage) because I already was gonna visit Argentina eventually.

Here's my general, most balanced view on it:

Injustices are never going to go away, for whatever reason. In the US however, even in conservative states we have extremely robust court systems and plenty of advocacy groups who spend millions on litigation for their economically and socially disadvantaged clients.

There's absolutely no reason that a normal person should have to make major changes though for the comfort of a very small minority of people. I don't go around saying racial slurs, but that's because I was raised better than that. That all being said, nobody should be immune to criticism. This culture where because you're a certain ethnicity you can't talk about other ethnicities saying stupid things is needlessly divisive. If the whole point of a multicultural nation like the US is that everyone's a US citizen and participates in the values and cultures of the US, it's a no-brainer that any attempt to divide or factionize the people ends in tragedy.

Generally, I think a better approach is to use the existing courts and such rather than having projects or websites adopt extensive rules for interaction, like NeoGAF or ResetEra do/did. Offensive things are gonna happen. If you can't take your feelings getting hurt, it's probably best to get off the internet, just like if you can't take the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.