Indigo2 MAX IMPACT not seeing drives?
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RE: Indigo2 MAX IMPACT not seeing drives?
(10-30-2019, 04:46 PM)Irinikus Wrote:  These machines produce a ridiculous amount of heat for their size!

Oh yes, I tend to mainly play around with my Indigo2 during the cooler months of the year. If I power it up in summer, my man-cave quickly becomes a sauna. In the winter of course the extra heating capability can come in quite useful Smile

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(10-30-2019, 04:39 PM)Jammaster Wrote:  Be carefull of the MaxImpact boardset.
It's very sensible of static electricity.
I have change all the thermal pads on mine and glued the trams's heatsink with thermal plaster.
Make a looooot of heat ...

I'd stay away from the TRAMs unless you _really_ have no other choice. The TRAM chips are QFP chips. The base 1MB TRAM has a heat sink glued to it -- I had one fall off once and had to glue it back -- no other choice. The TRAM option cards are different; they have 3 TRAM chips mounted on a PCB with a heatsink which is attached with kapton tape. This makes them especially vulnerable: the kapton tape has a tendency to warp the PCB and compress the QFP chips, and if you install the TRAM option you press on the heat sink, so the insertion force goes heat sink -> TRAM chips -> PCB -> socket. Soldering joints already get brittle with age, and the combination of the compression force and heat related stress on the TRAM chips leads to bad contacts (lifted chip legs).

A couple of years ago I repaired some TRAM modules by reflowing the bad soldering joints under a microscope so I know what I'm talking about. It is not for the faint of heart. I wrote up a nice article on Nekochan, but alas...

The Octane TRAMs have a different heat sink design and are mechanically much stronger. They rarely fail, unlike the Indigo2 IMPACT TRAM option cards. The Indigo2 MaxImpact "base" TRAM also seems to be reliable, so I wouldn't say there's something inherently wrong with the chips, even if they run hot.
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10-31-2019, 01:59 PM
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RE: Indigo2 MAX IMPACT not seeing drives?
(10-31-2019, 01:59 PM)jan-jaap Wrote:  I'd stay away from the TRAMs unless you _really_ have no other choice. The TRAM chips are QFP chips. The base 1MB TRAM has a heat sink glued to it -- I had one fall off once and had to glue it back -- no other choice.

Confirm it's this type of package?

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I really need to get myself a Weller surface mount rework station in the future!

(10-31-2019, 07:57 AM)Trippynet Wrote:  Oh yes, I tend to mainly play around with my Indigo2 during the cooler months of the year. If I power it up in summer, my man-cave quickly becomes a sauna. In the winter of course the extra heating capability can come in quite useful Smile

I'm very surprised as to how much heat it generates and this is without the optional trams!
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10-31-2019, 05:57 PM
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To be honest, even with SolidIMPACT it still kicks out a lot of heat. It's possible to quieten one by fitting replacement fans, but you still have to go for modern ones that can shift a lot of air.

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